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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Apr 10, 2014 7:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bonus Discs

"The reality is that the music is the "intellectual property" of those who produce it."

Wasn't that the argument the Wolfgang's Vault-ees made when WV came online and started selling the vault-ees' concerts?

Enjoy,
Judge TOOTMO

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 10, 2014 8:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bonus Discs

Hmm, what about taking the view that Jerry et al. DID say things about feeding off the crowd, and it was not an "us and them" situation, but a big fat "we"...doesn't this blur the whole "who owns it" notion? If you carry to a logical extreme anyhoo?

Well, okay, that's a stretch...but still. Pretty funny that someone attributed Jerry's line to Bobby the Penny Pincher.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Apr 10, 2014 8:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bonus Discs

" Pretty funny that someone attributed Jerry's line to Bobby the Penny Pincher."

"Jerry's line" Maybe it's just because I am around here so much, but this has to be Jerry's most oft-quoted quote. People take it as his mantra; as if all his beliefs sprang forth from this fountainhead. And, I can see this actually being Jerry's attitude: "we're done with it; I don't care what happens with it." He had that attitude towards Cherry Garcia ice cream at first. I think Jerry didn't have patience or inclination deal with anything that wasn't "playing music." (Later, when the Dead became a heavy, heavy weight around his neck, it seems that painting and drawing gave him the artistic satisfaction that he craved. (And probably more autonomy than he had had in 25-30 years.))

Here's a prior discussion on the topic about 3 years ago or so:
http://archive.org/post/331679/msnbc-and-the-dead

Does anyone know how many times Jerry put out this message? I've always thought it was a single, off-the-cuff remark made in response to somebody (Letterman?) inquiring about the unique taping policy of the GoGD.

And if this was Jerry's true belief, when did he adopt it? Monte B Cowboy will attest that this belief was not being practiced in the early 70s.
Thoughts?

Enjoy,
Judge TOOTMO

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Poster: RJ_Squirrel Date: Apr 10, 2014 12:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bonus Discs

Nobody who uses that quote takes into account that they are talking about a man who abandoned two of his daughters, was a serious heroin addict, forced himself into an early grave, etc... why should he care about people taping shows? He didn't care about a lot of things.

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Poster: Grateful Rat Date: Apr 10, 2014 1:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bonus Discs

Not everything Jerry said, or did was golden

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffMonte B Cowboy Date: Apr 12, 2014 12:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bonus Discs

re: My thoughts – What was 'the date' when Bob Weir first got into 'selling out' in public? (a.k.a. 'old Bob' vs. 'new Bob') – This has already been investigated by a punk-kid from New Jersey, from over forty years ago. Then it was reported here, two years ago, by a Village Idiot!

"actions 'speak louder' than words"; and, "seeing 'is' believing"

I'll never forget the day I saw Bob Weir sporting a new 'redneck' buzz-cut hairdoo on stage for the first time! "Game Over for Hippies!"

Bob Weir's old hippie-ponytail hairdoo is portrayed on March 24, 1973 (photo from Rhino GDP)
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Bob Weir's new redneck buzz-cut hairdoo is portrayed on June 9, 1973 (photo from Tigerbolt)
rfk-stadium-9june73.jpg

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Poster: Reade Date: Apr 12, 2014 3:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bonus Discs

A reviewer for the 3/31/73 Buffalo show (4/12/09) reports his hair was already cut by that date. Given the 3/24 photo above it looks like it was cut the last week in March?

https://archive.org/details/gd1973-03-31.sbd.bertha-ashley.31604.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 12, 2014 1:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hairstyles and attitudes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TtVbTZNB28&;feature=kp

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffMonte B Cowboy Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hairstyles and attitudes

deadhead-tat1-300x300.jpg

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Poster: Jim F Date: Apr 11, 2014 3:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bonus Discs

Ha that quote really is the Second Amendment for Deadheads. A "well-armed militia" in this case being the right to have access to and keep a large collection of soundboard recordings?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 10, 2014 8:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bonus Discs

I was well aware of it when trading tapes in the mid 70s, which is a shock to be honest...think of how much harder it was to get the word out and around back then when we used stone tablets (Monte keeps "deleting" that bit, cause it makes him look like he couldn't have been a techno whiz kid in 73).

;)

All I know is I heard it more than once, and in more than one format, but LiA has probably documented it somewhere...

Sure, it's fine for it to be revised after his death, but I really do believe that until Bobby changed his mind, that IF there WAS a biz model, it really was to embrace the simple notion that "if we share all this LIVE crap, they WILL buy more"

And frankly, I think that time and again we've all proved that model has worked...I have a nephew practicing in copyright law on this exact topic, you and BD will be pleased to know, and he maintains there are lots of studies supporting the basic notion that it can work to your advantage to take this approach (crudely, lots of free stuff to generate interest, as long as they buy the rest).

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Poster: AmericanReality Date: Apr 10, 2014 12:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bonus Discs

FYI; Bobby has said it too.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 10, 2014 12:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: more, more, more...


http://archive.org/post/148401/re-rhino-and-gt-and-gt-and-gt-and-gt-and-gtwho-has-put-their-money-where-their-mouth-is

https://archive.org/post/320271/woodstock-non-peanuts-related

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Poster: AmericanReality Date: Apr 10, 2014 5:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bonus Discs

I stand corrected.